Fed up with the deteriorating attitudes of Thai
bargirls, some sex tourists have discovered the pleasure of
those Thai women who would never dream of entering, let alone working in a
naughty bar. Free of
the hang-ups that make casual encounters a challenge in the
West, some guys who were once sex tourists continue to visit the country but are
increasingly targeting regular girls. For fun, and only
fun.
But while they might have left the naughty boy bars
behind, they haven't necessarily left their naughty boy habits behind.
And this is where the problems begin.
What goes on in naughty bars and some of
what customers
get up to, and get away with, would shock regular girls.
That's not to say they're not up for a bit of fun, but sometimes
they get more than they had bargained for...
Sex tourists have discovered that, yes,
regular Thai women are easy to meet and, these days are relaxed about intimacy.
No guy will say no to
an attractive, willing partner away from venues where you need to pay to
play. However, I have serious concerns about
some of the fallout.
As more and more guys start getting it on with local
lasses, these girls' photos are ending up in naughty boy reports on naughty
boy websites, replete with photos, details, not of how they met, but of what
went on beneath the sheets. Sex tourist trip reports featuring regular girls.
Sex tourist behaviour has hit the regular girl arena.
The irony is that bargirls are aware of this stuff and what happens to the
photos and have become reluctant to let guys take such photos. I am
not sure the regular girls are aware of the dangers.
Regular girls' photos are being
leered at by sex tourists on sex tourist centric forums. It's not only naughty stuff,
recent
threads on one sex tourist-centric forum include alluring photos of
genuinely attractive Bangkok office workers walking around the city's main
commercial district. Attractive women in
business attire photographed in a public place - no laws have been
broken, but the women would still be
aghast. Being featured and turned into sex objects on such forums
would horrify them.
It's possible to meet open-minded
women in a bar, but the preferred approach
seems to be online. Dating
sites have reached saturation point and Facebook and other social networking sites
are now targeted by hungry guys. Dates are arranged
even before a guy leaves his country.
It isn't specifically a Thailand thing.
Similar is happening in the Philippines where seemingly millions of Filipinas hunt for Western guys and
are willing to put out in a
heartbeat. Unlike the Thais, the average Filipina is anxious to score a Western dude and
escape.
It's funny watching naughty boys
in the regular girl environment, especially if they have been naughty boys
for a long time. The tell-tale sign is their use of crude bar talk, or
conversing in Pidgin English. The
regular girls, some of whom speak decent English, wonder what's
going on. But that's not so bad.
Some of these guys take regular girls to whore bars
because that is all they know. Some may even have been long term
residents of the city, and know where to get the best khao soy or
which bookshop will stock the latest Grisham novel first, but to many,
Bangkok at night means Sukhumvit or Silom. The following story
relayed by a friend of a friend shows that it is not only sex tourists,
but also sexpats.
I met a guy online at the Sala
Daeng BTS as we both work in the area. He suggested a drink before
dinner so we began walking down Silom. He then turns into Patpong. I asked him why he
would take me to Patpong for a
drink when there are so many decent places in the immediate area.
He just said he liked it there and dragged me down the soi. I was
just going over the excuse in my head I could use to get away from him when a horrible little Thai man jumped out in front of us and said he
wanted to invite us to view a pussy ping pong show! My date
pointed at me and said "I have my own ping pong girl right here!"
So it's not just a sex tourist thing.
Many Western guys relocate to Thailand specifically for the naughty stuff and
go full speed ahead with bargirls. Some discover
regular women and change tack. I've even noticed a small, but definite
trend of (young) retirees leaving Pattaya for Bangkok
because of the perceived availability of regular women.
Regular Thai girls know as much about safe sex as
they do about brain surgery. Combine that with many hardcore sex
tourists' refusal
to wrap up
and it's a recipe for disaster. My concerns have
precedent. * Several years back a one-legged German
boasted of sleeping with hundreds of Thai women in Chaiyaphum province
knowing he was HIV+. He was expelled from the country.
Several years ago I wrote an extensive piece
on how to meet and how to pick up regular Thai women. I mentioned it
to the guy renowned
as the nightlife photographer of the day who implored me to kill it.
"Write what you want about the bars and sex tourism, no-one cares about
that", he said, the no-one referring to the powers that be.
"But write about how to bed regular women and they will get
upset!" I heeded his advice and that article never saw the light
of day.
There's a grey area between money
girls and regular girls, nowhere better demonstrated than Khao
San Road where many young Thai women flock in the hope of meeting a white
guy. Some are motivated by money, others by excitement.
Regular girls, working girls and those somewhere in between mingle, even the long term expat resident
isn't clear on what's what.
The one
commonality I see in relationships between Western guys and Thai women
who are truly happy is that he was her first. So many
Thai women who have been genuinely broken-hearted by a farang guy struggle to get over it and
any future partner has serious baggage to deal with.
For things to work between a Western guy and a Thai girl,
there's a much better chance of success if he is her first foreign
boyfriend. It's a shame if her chances of relationship happiness
are dashed by someone who promises the world, but is really just after a
night of fun.
In many ways
Thailand's naughty bars are like a little slice of
Farangland transplanted into Thailand and when you're inside them, it's like you're
not even in Thailand. That feeling is reinforced by the fact that Thai males and
Thais not connected with the industry almost never enter, making what goes
on inside the bars, and with those involved in the industry, discreet.
When you get involved with Thai women outside the industry you're in the
real Thailand and may need to adjust your behaviour.
Thailand has undergone massive social change
over the past 15 years but many young Thai women are still very naive and vulnerable and
as such they
need to be protected.
Last week's photo of
Siam Square was taken in 2000.
The age of the vehicles on the road was the biggest clue. When was the photo
above taken?! All you have to do is
tell me
the year the photo was
taken. The first person to email me with the correct year wins a 500 baht credit at
Oh My Cod,
the fish and chips restaurant. The second person correct wins a 500 baht voucher from one of the best farang food venues in Bangkok, and the home of
Bangkok's best burger, in my humble opinion, Duke's Express. Duke's is conveniently located in the Emporium shopping centre in central Bangkok.
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FROM STICK'S INBOX (These are emails from readers and what is written here was not written by Stick.) Preference may be given to emails which refer to the previous week's column.
EMAIL OF THE WEEK - Not the City of Angels for everyone.
I enjoyed the weekly but some of those photos
are bloody sad aren't they? It's one of the reasons I don't like
going to the open beer bars with kids selling flowers and wandering
through the bars. One of the most pitiful things is those kids
that try and wash the windows when you're sitting in a taxi, stuck at
red lights at 3 AM. Poor little buggers, their parents need dragging over hot
coals. I should be bloody grateful for my lot
in life when I see so much abject poverty and how they're fighting to
survive. Nothing we can do about it though. We call it the
City of Angels but it could quite easily be Hell's Kitchen for many.
Giving to the needy.
I wrote regarding
a 'gift' of 5,000 - 6,000 baht I gave to a girl I spotted sleeping under
the Asoke-Montri fly-over at Rama 4. I gave the girl this money as
she looked as though she was hiding rather than begging. Her
infant son can't have been any more than 10 months old and I couldn't
see any evidence of a male around. She was fortunate that I was
taking a short cut to Queen Sirikit Park early one Sunday morning and I
happened to have my ATM card with me. While many of your readers
will probably think I need my head examining, I
believe if you see someone in need (especially if they look like they
are hiding rather than begging), it is well worth trying to help. I
chose the sum of money based on what I could afford and let's face it,
anyone trying to run or hide can probably get anywhere in the country
comfortably, get clean and get fed on 5,000 to 6,000 baht. It
certainly felt better giving her that money than it did when I gave
Father Joe ten times that amount (although Father Joe probably spent it
with more thought).
Sad sight in Washington Square.
A girl has been sleeping rough for the last month in
Washington Square. I asked her if she needed help in any way but
she wasn't interested. She spoke good English and was obviously in
some state of mental breakdown. Her decent English leads me to
believe she is from the 'trade'. I wonder if she is the same one
you mentioned in your weekly some weeks back. I gave up after a minute
or so as she looked scared enough to attack! She can be found
sleeping on the northwest corner of the square building which takes up
the centre area of the square. She is very vulnerable where she sleeps
and I fear for her safety. If you walk out of The Sportsman, turn left towards Soi
22 staying in the square, she is on the first corner. I gave her
300 baht and tried to engage her in conversation but she was too
terrified to hold a conversation with. All she kept saying was,
"What do you want from me?" Don't get too close as I had the
feeling she could pull a knife.
Terminal 21
The Thais love anything that is sparkly and new,
hence many have been visiting the newly opened Terminal 21.
The food halls on the ground floor are packed, but eating sugary high
cholesterol filled western foods. Hmmm, not good. Whilst
having a lot of lovely quality items, the shops could by price
definition, be in any city in the world. Walking up the road I
entered Robinsons where there are a lot of staff and a lot of items at
very reasonable prices. I couldn't help but feel that this was
more like the real Thailand with more of a heart and soul. Don't
get me wrong, it's nice to be in Terminal 21 and the facilities are great, as
are Paragon and Emporium, but I found all that I wanted to buy in
Robinson's.
The licence plate issue.
What I have been told about the delay in getting
plates is that at most dealers, new cars are still owned by the
manufacturer. The car ownership has to be transferred to the
dealer before they can transfer it to the buyer. This means that
the dealer must pay the manufacturer for the car - and they would rather
hold the cash for a while to pay other expenses. When the
dealer finally gets the car in his name, getting the plates is a quick
process. The same holds true for motorcycle dealers.
Could it be?
I was intrigued by red plates and struggled
to understand the rationale for them. I was eventually told that they were the idea of a former Minister of Transport who
deduced that if someone bought a new car they must be a new driver hence
they needed time to get used to driving before they could be let loose
at night! So I can have driven flawlessly for say 20 years,
buy a new car and then not be allowed to drive at night, but can buy a
tuned up second-hand BMW and drive it at night the day I pass my test!
My wife insists that this is what she terms a non-operative law that
even the police don't take note of by and large.
Postcard from Korat.
I've just returned from a short trip to Korat and it
has changed a lot. There appeared to be a lot more foreigners
there and the night scene was pretty good. If I was at
retirement age I would set up home base in Korat. Not too far from
Bangkok, plenty of golf courses nearby plus good bars and restaurants.
I may even buy some property there next year. You can get a decent
house for 50-100K pounds. I did see one odd sight -
a foreigner wearing an Angelwitch shirt in The Mall! Personally I
wouldn't like to advertise the fact that I frequented a gogo bar, but
each to their own. Thankfully there is a bar in The Mall which is
open in the daytime so I could catch the rugby with beer
served by slightly flirtatious maidens. That's what I miss when I
am outside Thailand. The only down side of the trip was driving
the road from Bangkok to Korat. It's lethal! We narrowly
missed a huge pile up and two other accidents. Thai driving is not
getting any better.
Judged by your friends?
I notice you (correctly in my opinion) often mention
the dregs of farang society who settle here. You often mention it
is difficult to find 'good' friends as an expat. I agree. I
wonder how we would be judged if "you can judge a man by his friends"
was applied to one and all in Thailand?
Frustration, confusion and a general feeling of being in the
dark are the story of the
week for Bangkok expats as the mix of information and misinformation about
the flooding threatening the city has made it impossible to know what is
really going on and what, if anything, one should do.
What
is disappointing is that information coming out of the likes of the local
embassies,
particularly the US and Singaporean embassies, is clear and,
if anything gives
you a better idea of what is going on and what you should do than anything
the government has said. And it's not an expat thing. Thais are
pulling their hair out and are increasingly displaying their frustration.
As far as farang enclaves go, none have been hit so far, but
the mainstream media is reporting that the threat remains. Some say Sukhumvit will be hit,
others say it won't. Who knows?! Sukhumvit is not likely to get
hit by much. Of all the bar areas, Soi Cowboy and soi 33 are the most prone
to flooding. Any bar that has delayed renovations may find the
incentive after the water recedes.
Thank goodness that so far no new swimming pools
have arrived in central Bangkok. Yes, the flooding in parts of the country, including
some of the far flung Bangkok suburbs is terrible, and there has been loss of
life and dreadful damage to and loss of property, but as far as the central
part of the capital goes, it remains untouched at the time of writing. For
visitors to Bangkok, if you are like most and tend to
visit or hang out around the areas popular with foreigners - the likes of
Sukhumvit Road, Silom Road, Siam Square etc., don't worry about cancelling your
holiday for fear of needing a snorkel to get around. As far as expats go,
the main concern seems to be protecting one's valuables and across
the capital, condoms and Viagra have been moved upstairs or placed on the
top shelves of cupboards!
The biggest concern perhaps is the
worry many Thais have about what might happen next, and the way essentials are selling out in record time.
Try and buy a bottle of water in convenience stores in central Bangkok, for
example - all I can say is good luck! If water becomes hard to come by
then we have serious problems. The shelves of convenience stores and
supermarkets are bare of many, many items.
A number of girls who work at Cowboy have gone
home because of the flooding. Many have expressed concern
that they may be away for a few weeks as their family needs their help.
So if your favourite darling is missing, just remember her first
duty is to her family.
With that said the bars have been doing ok. In
Cowboy this past Friday night, Tilac was packed but short a few girls with
one less dance group than you typically get on Friday nights. But it was
still packed with punters and making your
way to look through the window took time. Dollhouse was doing
ok. Other venues were as you would expect for a Friday night at this
time of year and doing ok.
It's October 29th, it's a Halloween party! The Big
Mango Bar on a sub soi off Sukhumvit soi 4 will celebrate Halloween with
cheap booze from 8 PM, free food and even gogo girls will be in attendance!
Miss Tuk, formerly #95 at Tilac, has returned and retaken the Dirty Doctor's
coveted top
bottom in Soi Cowboy title. However she is no longer sporting the #95 badge.
She has been given the more symmetrical #8. Her
popularity remains and she was barfined and out the door before 9 PM on her
first night back, as if proof was needed of her superstar status. A few other girls
who had wandered off to other
bars during the year have returned as well so if you have a favourite Tilac
girl you haven't seen in a while, it might be worth sticking your head in
Tilac to see if she is back.
Pretty Lady Bar in Nana Plaza will host a special party this
coming Friday, October 28, featuring sexy and lesbian shows, a mask changing
show, and free snacks. The DJ will take you back to the 70s and
80s. Leo beer is
available all night long at just 49 baht a glass. Best of all,
proceeds from the party will be donated to the flood victims. Great
stuff!
Down in Pattaya, the appointment of Howard Miller, the
Pattaya media mogul known to many as the menacing looking (but in fact
very affable, likeable and friendly) head of the tourist police on the
documentary series, Big Trouble In Tourist Thailand, as Honorary British
Consul for Pattaya raised some people's
eyebrows but I was always convinced that he was absolutely the right man for
the job. It is therefore disappointing to hear that Howard resigned
from the position this week. No, there's absolutely no scandal at all! Howard tendered his resignation due to the position going from part-time
to full-time - no surprise in that with all the Brits getting themselves
into bother in Sin City. As Howard still has his fingers in a
number of pies, he didn't think he could commit to it full-time.
Whoever replaces Howard has big shoes to fill.
Friends tell me lots of
younger women are entering the industry - and they should know as they spend
way more time in the bars than me. But to be honest, I have noticed
something completely different - many new
entrants to the industry in Bangkok are older women who have fallen on tough
times and who have fallen into the farang sector of the industry. And
I guess with all of the flooding and apparently many lost jobs, there is a chance that we could see an
influx of girls of all backgrounds.
My old friend Baron Bonk called it a day on his excellent nightlife column a
year or so back
but that is not to say that he stopped writing entirely. The Baron has been
beavering away on a new project and recently published a novel,
"Kelly, The Bargirl Who Would Be President". Available as an EBook and
I believe there are copies available in print too, it should
appeal to both fans of the nightlife as well as the Baron's legion of fans.
You can find out more
here.
Buying a ticket at the Asoke skytrain station is a nightmare
from 5:00
until 7:30 PM or later on week days. That's when the masses are passing through the station which
connects the underground with the skytrain, and 99% enter from the
eastern end. Even before the new
airport-themed Terminal 21 mall opened there were long queues to buy tickets at
the Asoke station and they can go all the way back to the walk bridge over
the Asoke intersection. If ever there was an argument to have a
pre-paid card for the skytrain to save you from the queues, then this is it!
And it is just getting worse with Terminal 21 now open.
Be honest, would Soi Cowboy be as popular if it weren't for all of the
pretty neon? If you took the neon away, and it looked from the outside as
it did, say 10 years ago, would it have quite the same draw?
Sure, the bars are nicer on the inside than they were a decade ago, but I
can't help but feel that it's the outside which is the big draw...
Dean Barrett reports 300 people showed
for Fight Night up at 2,500 baht per person (most bought
tables at the discounted rate) plus the organisers of the charity made lots
on raffle tickets etc., and most of the prizes were donated. It
was a big financial
success for Operation Smile. As for his fight with Colin, he continued
his Vietnam War era streak of managing to snatch
second place! Dean was overheard saying that the sexy ring girls distracted him! The organisers kept coming back stage saying how over the moon
they were with the success of the evening and that many in the audience
expressed amazement that it was real boxing; apparently, they thought it was
just going to be some half-hearted showy stuff in the ring.
Bangkok's reputation for
scams and scammers is, I hate to say, often justified and this week I heard of another
long-running scammer operating on the city's streets. The perpetrator
is a curiosity, not a Thai at all, but an elderly Singaporean national,
said to be around 70 years old, who approaches Singaporeans (exclusively
Singaporeans, it is
believed) who he tells a sob story of how he has run out of money and how he needs
money to get back home. In what sounds like a finely tuned story, he makes
it sound entirely plausible
and only asks for $SING
100 - about 2,500 baht - which would be enough to get him back to Singapore
overland. He doesn't try and hit a home run and ask for enough to cover
the airfare. He promises to repay the money
if his fellow countryman would be kind enough to lend it to him. You
don't need to be a brain surgeon to figure out that he never does. He even
goes as far as showing potential victims his Singapore passport and ID card. One
reader gave him money and made a point of recording the details of his passport and ID card.
After returning to Singapore the money wasn't forthcoming so he
visited the address he had been given by the old man, only to be informed by the
old man's previous
neighbours that he has not been seen in a very long time! So for the Singaporeans in the readership,
beware! He
is known to hang out in Pratunam and is said to actively look for Singaporean visitors.
There is no reason to think he may not be operating in other areas also.
Quote of the week comes from a
reader who was banned
on a local forum, "Getting banned from SlyGeezer is no
different from getting turfed out of a bar - there is always another way
back in!"
Sunbelt Asia's legal department is here to answer your questions relating to legal issues and the law in Thailand. Send any legal questions you may have to me and I will pass them on to Sunbelt Legal and their response will run in a future column. You can contact Sunbelt's legal department directly for all of your legal needs.
Question 1: I have read about various laws that limit the daily time periods when
construction of buildings is allowed. These have always referenced Bangkok and I would like to know if there
are either national laws or laws that reference condo construction in
Chonburi; specifically on Wongamat Beach in Naklua.
Must they cease the incessant construction noise by a particular time at
night? Who do I telephone to complain if they refuse to stop (police or other)?
Can I sue to get a court injunction if they continue to ignore these
laws?
Sunbelt Legal responds:
You can file a complaint with the police, who may issue a warning at
first and then could fine them for noise if they don't obey. Under the
Thailand Civil and Commercial Code section 420, you are allowed to ask for
damages from the person causing the disturbance. One suggestion is to
try negotiations first, if at all possible. Generally, third party
negotiations work best so ask a respected local Thai person such as the
village headman, to intervene on your behalf.
Question 2: I am a
self-employed musician, a lifestyle choice. I have been travelling to
Thailand since 1988 and will visit again from December to February.
Over the years and performed all over the country, from 5-star hotels to
small hole in the walls, wherever I have found myself. Sometimes I am
paid, sometimes I am not. It was never a problem in the past but more
and more these days I am being asked if I have a work permit. Of
course I do not and when aware of that, I am told I cannot perform, even if
it is unpaid. WTF?! Is there any way for me to get an open work
permit that allows me to perform across the country for the 3 months I will
visit?
Sunbelt Legal responds:
It may be possible to apply for a free temporary work permit at each
Labour Office in the province where you plan to perform. It is valid
for 10 days and will require a letter from your employer (or the place you
plan on performing). However, this is not policy and approval may
depend on the Office or the Officer. Some local officers will require
it to be essential and urgent work and others may allow non-urgent and
non-essential work.
If you thought this
week's column was light, you'd be right. I have to confess that up
until Thursday I had no plans to even publish a column this week. I
was going to take a week off because the 6:00 PM Bangkok publishing time
clashed with the Rugby World Cup Final, the biggest rugby match of the last
4 years in which my beloved All Blacks finally put 20 years of pain to rest,
showing courage, discipline, and resilience to take the William Webb Ellis
trophy. My condolences go out to all the French readers and supporters
of a French team which took the All Blacks right to the wire. My plan was to spend the day building up to the
rugby which kicked off at 3:00 PM Bangkok time - which is when I usually do my final edit. I know that many people look forward to
the column each week so in the end I relented and put something
together. Hopefully this week's edition was up to scratch and there
weren't too many typos.